Shadows of family history: Strikes on the waterfront, gold rushin, freed slaves, revolution & still as yet unmarked graves

I didn’t do any thesis writing today but thought of and searched for information about my Mum’s family history instead.

I am staying with one of my older brothers in his now-hometown of Kyneton (Victoria) at the moment, which also happens to be the final resting place of the late John “black” Byng, who is one of my Mum’s more colourful and enigmatic ancestors. The sad thing is, there is no way of knowing where exactly, his grave might be.

I know a great deal about my paternal family ~ Dad’s family. My siblings and many cousins and I were lucky enough to grow up Dad’s folks ever-present and ever loving. Indeed, much of our childhood was spent on their wheat and sheep farm in Kojonup, S.W. Australia.

I’ve blogged about Kojonup previously (in brief), here. I’ve blogged about my dear late Poppa (Dad’s Dad), here.

In contrast, however, I know very little about my maternal family ~ about Mum’s family. This is partly because Mum et.al. are from New Zealand and also, in part, because her folks were relatively quite old when they started their family together.

This being so, Mum was only nineteen when her Dad, Eric Purchas Anthony, died of a stroke. And I was only a one-year-old when Mum’s Mum, Kathleen May Anthony (nee Bilbrough), died of cancer.

Mum’s Mum, (Nanna Kathleen May) was a nurse in Christchurch. Mum’s Dad (Papa Purchas as I’ve retroactively decided to call him), was a waterfront worker in Lyttelton, NZ. From the little I know about him I like to think that Papa Purchas and I had a certain few things in common. I know, for instance, that he fought alongside his fellow workers as part of the now historical waterfront dispute of 1951.

It’s difficult to know much more about him because Nanna Kathleen May literally burnt everything and anything that reminded her of him after he passed away (out of grief no doubt) gumurr djararrk.

It seems also though, as my Mum recalls, that Nanna Kathleenwas more than a little nervous about her husband’s dark skin (or at least the potential of her children having dark skin also). She would insist, as Mum recalls, that Mum and her two siblings cover and hide their skin from the sun at all times in case they ‘tan’ ~ lest someone ‘mistake’ them as somehow derived from ‘dark’ heritage.

Papa Purchas

See, Pappa Purchas Anthony was a descendant of the late John Byng ~ the aforementioned late John Byng whose unmarked grave lies right here someplace here in Kyneton Victoria.

Said Mr. John Byng was well known “pioneering figure” around Mt. Gambier, South Australia, where he established the very first business in region – a Hotel where those folks who were chasing gold could stop, drink, stay & rest a while.

There are a number of historical documents from the time that refer to John Byng as a strikingly handsome “thick set, black man” who rode through town on “a beautiful white steed” etc. etc. However patronising these descriptions may be, he must certainly have had some kind of social spark and skill about him to have become such successful business owner and public personality during such racist period in Australia’s settler-colonial history.

Not only did Byng enjoy success and social standing in Mt Gambier but he also established one of the first Hotels here in Kyneton. He and his then-wife ‘Mary Ann Byng (nee Wallace), established what was then known as ‘The Gold Diggers Arms’ here in Piper St Kyneton, which still stands today as the ‘Royal George Hotel.’

Despite the fact that John Byng and Mary Anne had nine children and an (apparently) successful business, however, both were laid to rest in unmarked graves, which is both sad and difficult to account for (in terms of historical documentation).

Thomas signed-off as a 'free-man' in 'The Book of Negroes'

It is even still saddening for someone like me so many generations removed to think that John & Mary Anne lay right here some place alone (except in each others company) in unmarked graves.

Surely they both deserve, at the least, a nod of “marηgi ga dharaηan ηilimurru, marrkap’, yo, ma.” Balanyara-wu.

John Byng, I should note, skipping back briefly one generation before I end this post – was the son of a certain Thomas Byng (alt. ‘Bing’), a Black Loyalist and freed slave from South Carolina who joined and fought alongside the British in the American War of Independence (1775–1783). Thomas was apparently promised his freedom along with 50 acres of land in Halifax, Nova Scotia by the British forces. After the war was over he was granted a mere one single acre. No wonder his son John Byng set sail to make a life for himself across the sea o’er this way.

To end this note on a contemporary n’ lighter note, I found the following video clip on Youtube. It is a clip of the young ‘De-Railed Theatre Collective’ rehearsing a scene and song about the conditions that the Black Loyalists were faced with when they moved to Nova Scotia.

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68 responses to “Shadows of family history: Strikes on the waterfront, gold rushin, freed slaves, revolution & still as yet unmarked graves

  1. Ralph

    Cool story, like many others in this hybrid nation run by stinking white people

    • Paula

      I see..”stinking white people”…what a “colorful” term. I being a descendant of “Black Bing” am..white..but do not hold such silly regard for colour as you do.

  2. damselfly58

    john byng is also my relative. 4 or 5 x great grandfather. lost count. 🙂

  3. How lovely! I’m glad that you stumbled across the post. I am in Kyneton for another day or two and will make one more visit to the old section of the cemetery to see if I can find anything of interest. I will write another post if I do.

    Warm Regards

  4. I should clarify that John Byng and Mary-Anne did have quite dignified funerals according to the newspapers of the day. Apparently John’s funeral was delayed in order to wait for the right ‘feather plumes’ to arrive from Melbourne.

    The problem with identifying their graves arose because the cemetery was not gazetted until years after they were buried. Further, the headstones in the ‘old section’ of the cemetery (on the right as you drive in at the bottom of the hill) are so weather worn that most are unidentifiable.

    • Janice SINGLETON

      Hi Bree, Are you able to point me in the right direction to find the newspaper articles re their funerals or do you have copies. Thank you very much.
      Janice Singleton – descended from Louisa Byng and George Purvis

  5. Nici

    Dear distant cousin, I had an email exchange with Prof Cassandra Pybus, who is researching the Australian end of the African diaspora, just before Christmas. She said she thought John Byng was one of the rare Canadian convicts transported to Australia but didn’t have the details on her. I should chase her up. There was a Canadian uprising in the mid-1830s and the rebels were transported to Australia. They got quite short sentences. But I have not found John Byng’s name on the transport lists. Nici

    • Dear Nici,

      Thank you for your comment and the tip-off regarding the Canadian uprising. I did not know of such an historical incident but it may very well be consistent with Thomas Byng and comrades having been diddled out of the land that was promised to them after the war.

      I would dearly love to hear any further information you find.

      Kind regards, B.

  6. Laurie Lindsay

    Hi Bree
    I was about to take a drive to Kyneton to look for the grave, however, I will not bother. You can get a copy of their wills and probates at http://210.8.122.120/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=54

    • Fantastic! Thank you so kindly for the link – what a beautiful old document. Thank you!!

      I am glad you did not make the unnecessary trip to Kyneton. I am beginning to wonder, given there are so many descendants of Byng and Mary-Anne seeking to learn more about about them, whether it might be possible to petition the local council in Kyneton to undertake a thorough search for their respective graves. I would love to see some form of memorial plaque/headstone made for them some time in the future if we can all organise ourselves.

      • Laurie Lindsay

        Bree,
        There are about 20 of our relatives in Australia, New Zealand and the USA interested in Thomas and John Byng and their history. I have a pile of emails that have have flown back and forth over the past 12 months. I am quite happy to pass them on to you with attachments.
        My email address is avionics@alphalink.com.au

  7. Glottal stop

    Paula’s comment and actually all the comments to this ‘page’ of Bree’s blog are interesting. I bet Paula lives in a place where “race” is not an issue.l would bet that Paula’s greatest cross cultural issues are whether to get a single or double latte. It is easy to make ideological stands when you are not involved in them. Doesn’t it interest you Paula that 20 years ago you couldn’t talk about these things? Or does the fact that today we can now make you some kind of hero? It’s interesting that the most comments that I’ve seen on ever seen on this blog are in regards to Bree’s ancestry, yeap you’re all realated to a black guy. Get over and do something for black people. .

  8. Ursula

    My husband came in from cleaning out the shed today and told me he had found some family tree information which places John Byng as his grand mothers grand father (great-great grandfather?). It would be great to share info.

  9. Wow, how lovely! Are you within or outside Australia? (There is now a Byng/Bing family history page on Facebook I’ve been told, too!)

    • Ursula

      Australia .. SW Victoria

      • kristi Wright

        Hi Ursula, I to am very interested in how your husband is connected and whom his grandmother is, I also am a descendant of John Bing we have a very interesting background. you can contact me on kristiwright.1960@xtra.co.nz look forward to hearing from you.

    • Kristina Purvis

      Hi Janis we both have Louisa as our gt grandmother i am from the Purvis family in Wanganui . Have visited her grave a few times. Sure do want to know more about the family. Tina Purvis
      Hi Bree as you can see above i to have a link to John Byng. Have you learnt any more about him lately Tina Purvis

      • Pat Wright

        My Great grandmother was one of John Byng’s daughters (Jane Ann Byng) In the early 1990’s just by accident we discovered my (and my sister’s) relationship with “Black Byng”. My husband Barry, my sister and and I researched as much as we could about the family, finding a lot about John, his family and his father Thomas Byng. Finally in 2010 Barry and I went to Canada (Digby, Nova Scotia, John’s birth place) and to Halifax. We also visited South Carolina in the US. We did this to try and verify some of our “knowledge” and heresay. We verified quite a bit of information but have still to compile it all to make sense of it. We discovered some more information and most interestingly we found out was that John had had a family in Nova Scotia ( a wife and five children). We had had some inkling that there was more to the story as we knew a baby girl named Jane Ann Byng had died in Digby some time before John came to Australia. John left his wife and other children behind in Canada when he came to Australia. Never to return. We all have relatives in Nova Scotia. We actually met up with one of John Byng’s (Canadian) daughters ancestors. It was very emotional. We met many relatives some very dark and some not. We did not find out why or how John Byng came to Australia. My Great Grandma, Jane Ann Byng married a Thomas Crowle and had 14 children. My grandma being one of them. Jane Ann and Thomas took over John Byng’s pub in Kyneton. I promise when we finally compile all our resources, (factual and other) we will notify all the Byng relatives. Fond regards from another Byng cousin. Pat Wright
        PS: You have a lot of information that is correct.

      • Margret white

        Howdy Louisa is my gr grdmother
        My grmother was her daughter Margaret
        Who had my mother Monica blanche
        Trying to get the book that has been published
        So very interesting- so many cousins and rellies you wouldn’t know if you were sitting next to them – maybe we could make another reunion happen

  10. Wendy Jarvis

    Hi, not sure if this thread is still active but I am also a descent of John Byng. My Grandmother was a Byng, her father was Isacc Byng, not sure if he was son or grandson of John Byng. Why they used the same names generation after generation makes it hard to follow sometimes. Years ago my great aunty received letters from a relative in New Zealand and I have copies of the documents somewhere here at home. My father said that they were always told that their grandfather was a ‘south seas islander’ and that was why there was some colour and curly hair in the family. One great aunty who was very fair never told her husband the family history and when their daughter was born and looked very dark at birth my poor aunty was quite worried. It all seems a little strange now.

    • Ursula

      Glottal stop, Having a black ancestor is less about chest beating or rooftop crowing but of recognising that there were problems to overcome that related to Black Byng’s skin colour. Personally I’m loving the story and am excited to hear a story of overcoming in a harsh time of pioneering. And it’s all the more real and relatable because of the personal family link. There was no welfare nor were there political activist zealots. Black Byng overcame and was a rocking success. It’s a story to inspire! Carrying on about helping black people now is such a useless and irrelevant argument in this blog. As long as black skin colour is raised as an issue by people like you it will remain as an issue. Let’s focus on celebrating achievements and ignore skin colour as deserving of special treatment. Black Byng was an overcomer at a time when skin colour mattered. My “doing something” for black people today will be to ignore their being black as the sole reason to treat them any differently from my neighbour. I owe “black people” nothing but the same respect I give everyone else for their own personal story. Go find someone else’s soapbox to cry “black-foul” from.

      Bree. How much more were you able to find out? If you’re interested I could scan what my husband found in the shed and send it to you? btw how much do you know about Digby (SW Victoria) and it’s relationship to Black Byng? He was born in Digby, Nova Scotia so we suspect he named the community Digby such when he was the first registered publican of the Hotel that still stands there.

      u h l i g i t e – p o s t [at] y a h o o [dot] c o m
      (you’ll need to remove all the spaces and symbolise the words in square brackets in order to send)

      • Nici

        Wow Ursula. That’s big news. I’m also a 6x great granddaughter of John Byng. I’m writing a book about him and his place in early Melbourne and Western District society. I would love to see your stuff from the shed. I’ll send you an email. cheers Nici

      • PATRICIA A WRIGHT

        Dear Ursula. I sent a message on this blog and an email to you in October 2019. I just realized that my “comment” to you on this blog was in the incorrect place. The email i sent to you did not bounce back but as you did not answer i wonder if you did receive it. I would be so interested to hear from you. – Here is a copy of my email to you.

        Dear Ursula,
        My Great Great Grandfather was John Byng. My Grandmother, Mabel May Crowle, was the daughter of John and Mary Ann’s first daughter (in Australia that is) Jane Ann byng.
        Quite a few years ago I came across Fieldnotes and Footnotes and Bree Blakeman’s story. It was great. As too were the comments and replies from ancestors of John Byng.
        At the time I had found many of the comments most interesting. One of which stood out, it was yours – Feb 17 2014. I thought about writing to you and asking you about what your husband had “found in the shed”. I then saw that you and Nici Lindsey were corresponding about it and decided not to do anything for the time being. I then stupidly forgot about it.
        I actually thought when Bree finished blogging in 2018 that would that. Last month I came across the blog again and there were some comments written in 2019. I wrote a comment and wondered if I would get a reply. I have not so far.
        I read through everything again and again your comment really intrigued me. I would so love to see anything new or different about John Byng, his life and the lives of his ancestors.
        I wonder if you would be so kind as to allow me to see just what your husband “found in the shed”?
        In Nici’s last comment she writes that the email address that was on the Blog did not work. There is no reply from you so I presume you emailed her with the correct email address. I am emailing you in the hope that maybe the email address will work. I will also send you a message on the blog in the hope that you also may still read it. I will add my email address. I do not know what else to do.
        My husband, Barry, and I have been researching the Byng’s since the late 1980’s. We lived in Vietnam for 11 years and when we returned in 2003 we started the researching in earnest. Barry was intending to write a book about the Byng family but we realised we should try and verify as much of the information that we had. Therefore in 2010 we travelled to America and Canada and actually found quite a lot of new information. The book was growing….. We had so much information to compile but we got going.
        Finally last year Barry finished the first book – a book about Thomas Byng (John’s dad). It was self-published through BLURB. If you would like to read it or a PDF copy of it Google Blurb with Barry Wright or Thomas Byng Barry Wright Blurb.

        We are nearing completion of the second book – John Byng (his life in Canada and here in Australia). Our intention next year is to finish off the story. Barry will write a book about John and Mary Ann’s children and their lives.
        I await in great anticipation for your reply – either by email or the Blog. If nothing I will have to do some searching for you.
        Fond regards from another cousin
        Pat.

    • Grant Tenni

      Hi Wendy, My aunt Joan Crowle would like to get in touch with you as she has been doing heaps of research on the Byng Family tree for years. Years ago she contacted a woman who was also a descendant of Isaac. Possibly his daughter Louisa. She provided lots of scraps of information that don’t mean a lot to Joan, but may mean more to you.
      Joan can be contacted on 9350 2073 or you could write to her at 11 Davern St Pascoe South Vale VIC 3044. (No email for Joan unfortunately LOL)
      As may be obvious, we are descended from Thomas Crowle.

      Please feel welcome to contact myself.
      Thank you Grant Tenni

    • kristi Wright

      Hi Wendy, I would love to hear from you regarding your connection to Isaac Byng, I am a descendent through Louisa, Isaac’s sister. you can email me on kristiwrightwright.1960@xtra.co.nz. look forward to hearing from you.

  11. Nici

    Hi Ursula, I’m keen to get in contact with you but I can’t make your email address work, even with the spaces removed and symbols inserted.
    Re Digby: the Digby Hotel is in Melbourne. It’s now called the Coopers Inn and is still standing on the corner of Exhibition and Little Lonsdale streets.
    I find the Digby, western Victoria connection really interesting because the Byngs were in the area in the late 1840s. They nearly opened a pub in Coleraine but ended up in Mt Gambier instead. Hope to hear from you soon.
    nicolejlindsay@gmail.com

    • Grant Tenni

      Hi Nicole,
      Would love to hear more of your information regarding your book. Joan Crowle would also love to hear from you in case she may be able to add some further information to your data
      Grant Tenni

  12. JAnis GArrett

    I too am related to John byng. My great great ma was a daughter of
    John byng .Her grave isin the WAnganui cemetery .She went to New
    Zealand to gold mine at Greymouth. She married first as a Copley,
    then as a DIggle,and finally as a Purvis. Would love to connect with
    Family who have more info.

  13. Scarlett Anthony

    Dear cousin 🙂
    I found this amazing seeing as dad isn’t to great with details!
    Please keep me informed with all you have found 🙂

  14. Caral

    John Byng’s daughter Louisa is my Gt Grandmother. I still live in Wanganui and am following this blog with interest as keen to learn more about this side of the family.I am descended from Louisa’s third marriage to George Purvis and my mother was Pat Martin (nee Purvis).

    • Gail

      Hi Caral
      Are you on Laurie’s email list? I am coming to NZ on a cruise in March 2015. Perhaps we could get together.
      Gail Milton

      • Caral

        Yes Laurie has been in touch. Where is your cruise docking. We are closer to Wellington 2 1/2 hrs than Auckland 6 hrs away. Great that there is so much interest in the family tree.

        Caral

    • Gail

      It is the Sea Princess. Leaving Brisbane on 4 March. I will have to get the itinerary. You are quite a way away though.
      Gail

  15. Gail

    I am guessing there will always be prejudice as long as people keep referring to it. Most of our family have only known about John Byng for a short while. We were told as children that a great great grandmother came from Mauritius. I don’t think they were lying, maybe they did not know. We have many ancestors from many parts of the world, but we are all fascinated with our Negro heritage and I would love to know more about what tribe and where in Africa or even maybe Mauritius, Thomas’s family haled from. My guess would be that they did not go willingly to America. I am from the Goldie arm of the family.

  16. gary crowle

    i have a feeling i may have history heregrandson of alfred crowle also jane anne byng i think is my grandfathers relations plse let me know i am garry crowle son of joe —mabel and alfred crowle

    • Laurie Lindsay

      Hi Gary,
      I am the great grandson of Ann Crowle, third child of Thomas Crowle and Jane Ann Byng. I have a pile of emails regarding the history of our family. I will provide them if you can send me your email. My email address is avionics@alphalink.com.au

  17. Yvone

    I am allso a realitive at 65 years old and only just found out about the African side of my family as who i thought was my father was not.My father whos sir name is Corless and his father married one of the Byng girls that came out to NZ.

    • kristi Wright

      Hello Yvone, If your fathers name is Corliss, the only info I have is that a Margaret Frances Purvis married a Corliss but I have no idea what his first name is. Margaret’s parents were Louisa Byng and George Purvis, if you want to contact me on kristiwright.1960@xtra.co.nz I’ll see what else I can find out.

  18. Keith Adamson

    Hello all Byng descendants – I intend to travel to Canada in July 2018 to follow up on the lire of my GGG Grandfather, Thomas Byng, father of John. I would appreciate any information you can send me on Thomas or John before I leave. I will happily any information I gain with anyone of you when I return. Kind Regards, Keith Adamson kkmmaa1501@hotmail.com

  19. John Dando

    Hi my name is John.I am from NZ living in Australia.my mum is doing the family tree byng Luisa to copley

  20. Rae Dando

    Wonderful to see all these comments of my husband’s family tree, in particular the photo of Papa Purchas, who undoubtedly resembles photos we have of other relatives. We went out to Kyneton a few years back, lovely place to visit, but we found nothing. All the above comments confirm what we have heard.
    Black Byng is an amazing person with an awesome tale.

  21. Paul Bakker

    I am a descendant of thomas Byng

  22. Hardstaff Susan

    Hi Bree
    I stumbled across this Blog while doing some research about my Daughters partner he is Johns 4x Great Grandfather this is amazing i cant wait to tell him and his family about this wonderful Fellow

  23. GAIL M

    Just saw bits and pieces of a show called”THE BOOK OF NEGROES” Most of what I saw was in Canada and Sierra Leone.
    Dramatic licence aside, the emancipated people had a terrible time. Unable to work unless they indentured or reenslaved themselves to the white people and when they went to Africa, had to watch the slavers ply their trade.
    I would like to know how true this series is.
    GAIL Milton

  24. Natalie Irvine

    Can anyone tell me if John Byng’s wife Mary Ann Wallace born 1817- 1858 came from around Donegore Ireland?. If so, she was my gg aunt, as the children of her 2 brothers married,and are my ggg parents. They lived in Wanganui and Hawera Taranaki.

    • Caral Christie

      Mary Ann Wallace was my Great Great Grandmother. The dates you mention match although I have 1818 – 1858. I am descended from her daughter Louisa who migrated to N.Z and met my Grandfather George Purvis. This was her third marriage. Have you done a DNA test?
      I am not sure where she came from in Ireland or how she came to be in Australia, so any information would be great.

      • Laurie LINDSAY

        Caral & Natalie,

        Hi Caral, it has been a couple of years

        I have Mary Ann Wallace as the daughter of Jeremiah William Wallace (born 1790?) and Mary Ann Wallace. To my knowledge she was born in Kings County, Ireland in 1817. The word KING became a dirty word in Eire after 1922 and it has now been renamed Offaly and is west of Dublin. The only Donogore I could find is NW of Belfast.

        Laurie LINDSAY

    • kristi Wright

      Hi Natalie, My name is Kristi and I am a descendant of John Bing, you mention that you are a descendant of Mary Ann Wallace, very little is known about the Wallace family but what I have I am happy to share with you, you can contact me via email kristiwright.1960@xtra.co.nz I would love to hear from you. I live in Wanganui New Zealand.

  25. Pat Wright

    Hi Caral, Natalie and Laurie.
    You are correct Laurie. On Mary Ann’s death certificate (1858) it states her father was William Wallace (Jeremiah – maybe) and her mother was Mary Ann. There is still no verification Mary Ann’s mother maiden name. Mary Ann married a John Byng in Melbourne in 1840. John Byng arrived in Melbourne in 1839-1840 from Canada. We are all ancestors of Mary Ann and John Byng. What you may not know is John Byng’s father, Thomas, was an African slave. The story of this family is so fascinating. Exciting huh. I have a public tree on Ancestry if you want to know more.
    Fond regards Pat Wright.

  26. PATRICIA A WRIGHT

    Hi Ursula,
    I re-read with interest your comment in 2014 about your husband finding family tree (Byng) information when cleaning out the shed. I have just sent
    you an email (hopefully to your email address) asking you if you would be so kind as to allow me to see what “your husband found in the shed”. I have will not write all I have written in my email to you. I will however add a little bit of information for the rest of the family who read this blog.

    My husband, Barry, and I have been researching the Byng’s since the late 1980’s. We lived in Vietnam for 11 years and when we returned in 2003 we started the researching in earnest. Barry was intending to write a book about the Byng family but we realised we should try and verify as much of the information that we had. Therefore in 2010 we travelled to America and Canada and actually found quite a lot of new information. The book was growing….. there was so much information about this amazing family.

    Finally last year Barry finished the first book – a book about Thomas Byng (John’s dad). It was self-published through BLURB. If you would like to read it or a PDF copy of it Google Blurb with Barry Wright or Thomas Byng Barry Wright Blurb. We are nearing completion of the second book – John Byng (his life in Canada and here in Australia). Our intention next year is to finish off the story. Barry will write a book about John and Mary Ann’s children and their lives.

    Fond regards from another cousin
    Pat.

  27. Laurie Lindsay

    Ladies,
    I think I have traced Mary Ann’s ancestors back five generations to the 1640s. I am not as conscientious as Pat Wright so nothing is verified. If any of you would like a report on Mary Ann’s ancestors it is available. I cannot send attachments via this website so please provide your email to avionics@alphalink.com.au

  28. Jaye McGregor

    Hi there – my dad Arnold Rupert Anthony is the son of Rupert Anthony, who is the son of one of the 9 children that John and Mary had. We are from NZ too. My dad is 89 years old, and still going strong….he has fantastic genes!!
    Cheers Jaye

    • PATRICIA A WRIGHT

      Hi Jaye, Lovely to hear from another “Byng” relative. I wonder if you saw/read my reply to ‘Ursula’ (see above Oct 2019). My Great Grandmother, Jane Ann, was Louisa’s sister. Both daughters of John Byng and Mary Anne Byng. My records slightly differs from yours in that Rupert Anthony (your grandfather) parent’s were George Anthony and Annie Louisa Diggle/Copley. Annie Louisa Diggle/Copley’s mother was Louisa Byng, daughter of John Byng and Mary Anne Wallace. Louisa married three times – to James Diggle (Australia), Godfrey Copley (New Zealand) and George Purvis (New Zealand). The story I have is that Louisa was married to James Diggle. They had a son James and then when Louisa was pregnant with Annie Louisa she met and married Godfrey Copley. (James stayed with his father). That was when Louise left Australia and moved to New Zealand. Annie was born in New Zealand. Annie married George and as far as I know they had 5 children, including your grandfather Rupert. One of Rupert’s brothers was Eric Purchas Anthony who is mentioned and pictured above (Pappa Purchas) by Bree Blakeman (owner of this Blog.) Actually you may be interested in looking at my Family Tree in Ancestry.com It is Public therefore anyone cane see it. It is named the Cleland Family Tree and my login (?) is patnbaz. If you have a family tree I would love to see it. I do not have all that many facts about Louisa and her life in New Zealand. So I really need help with the New Zealand side of the family. If you are interested in learning about your ancestry and John Byng we, my husband and I, have just self published a book named Black Byng. It is all about John Byng and his life in Canada (where he was born, not so many details) and his life here in Australia. We published it through BLURB. In Google put in Thomas Byng Barry Wright. The Blurb site will come up advertising our first book – Thomas Byng, John’s father. Thomas was an African Slave! A very interesting ancestor of yours and mine. Scroll down from the info about the Thomas Byng book and you will come to the Black Byng book. I might add here that we intend to do a third book – all about John’s children and their lives and their children’s lives. At the moment I had a broken wrist and not so able. Anyway hope you find the above interesting Jaye. love from your Aussie “cousin” Pat

      • Jaye McGregor

        Hi there Pat thanks for your reply. You are correct, I get confused with the Louisa’s and Annie Louisa’s….Thank you so much for writing the books, Kristi has given me the links to purchase the books 🙂 My dad will be very interested in the history as he has been given snippets along the way, but not a full documented history. I can definitely see the family resemblance – my dad is a spitting image of the Copley twins Josh and Sam. Also, Pappa Purchas is very similar to his brother my pop Rupert, plus I can see dad in him too. I haven’t got a family tree yet, but working on it. I will get dad to take the dna test as well 🙂
        Lovely to hear from you, and I do hope to meet you one day!! Love Jaye

  29. Cynthia Wardle

    Hi. I know this is a very late comment, given the year you first posted this, but I’ve come across a clipping from a newspaper I found in Trove that says John Byng’s wife, Mary Ann, was buried in Melbourne General Cemetery. Is that of any interest?

    • Janice Singleton

      Hi Cynthia. That’s interesting. Do you have a copy of the clipping to share here. That is very interesting. Thank you. Janice Singleton. Great granddaughter of Louisa Byng/Purvis

      • Cynthia Wardle

        Hi Janice. I just need to go back into Trove, which is currently closed for maintenance. Would you like me to email a snapshot to you or give you a link?
        Cynthia

      • Janice Singleton

        The link would be great then all the “Family ” on here can access it. A snapshot would be great too, if not asking too much. Very much appreciated.
        Janice

  30. Cynthia Wardle

    The link is https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/10675882?searchTerm=%22john%20byng%22%20cemetery
    It was in The Argus Friday April 3, Page 1 Family Notices.
    I haven’t been able to find a similar notice for John Byng himself, but maybe he was buried there too?
    By the way, there is an interesting court case concerning John Byng, where he tried to evict a rowdy customer at the Gold Digger’s Arms hotel that he owned, and the customer stabbed him.
    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154832994?searchTerm=%22john%20byng%22%20stab%20gold%20digger%27s%20arms
    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7135499?searchTerm=%22john%20byng%22%20stab%20gold%20digger%27s%20arms
    This may already be well known, but I thought I’d include it just in case it’s not.
    Cynthia

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    • Janice Singleton

      Thanks Cynthia. Yes very interesting. John died the following January after the stabbing, but of TB, and then Mary Ann died also of TB a month later.
      I think the funeral notice may have been for the WIFE of John and Mary Ann’s son, John Francis Byng, who passed away and buried in Melbourne. Apparently back then, women were usually referred as the wife of OR Mrs … I have found a copy of the Register with the Kyneton Death Notices of John and Mary Ann in my files, and they were both buried at Kyneton. I cant seem to attach a copy of it here though. (Very amateur at all that)
      Thank you so much for sharing all this with us.
      And Cynthia, where do you fit in to the family?
      Cheers, Janice

    • Pat Wright

      A thank you also from me Cynthia, Pat Wright. Jane Ann Byng was my G.Grandmother makingJohn Byng my G.G. G/father.
      As you probably know there are two books about the Byngs that were self-published by my husband Barry. Thomas Byng and Black Byng – both can be accessessed through Blurb by writing in Barry Wright. We have always thought both John and Mary Anne were buried in Kyneton. Though their graves have not been found. We thought we had thoroughly searched Trove but I don’t remember this Family Notice. Very Interesting.

      I also would like to let the “family” know that John Faine (of ABC 774 radio fame) has written a book named “Thelma and Apollo”. Thelma Cecelia Anderson and Alexander McPherson (the Mightly Apollo – known as the strongest man in the world) Anderson were brother and sister. Their Grandmother Mary Ellen Crowle was the daughter Jane Ann Byng – John Byng’s first child in Australia. Both Thelma and Alexander (who preferred to be called Paul) had very interesting lives that John Faine had been involved with at various times. A very interesting read. Though some of the family are not happy with everything that is in the book.

      Thanks also for the links. Fond regards. Pat.

  31. Cynthia Wardle

    Ah, that makes more sense, Janice it’s the daughter-in-law not the wife.
    I don’t fit into the family tree at all! However I’ve been reading a book by Jon Faine called Thelma and Apollo, and it seems that the said Apollo is a descendent of John Byng. I also have a friend who mentioned that she had an ancestor who matched the description of John Byng, so I became quite intrigued.
    Cynthia

    • Pat Wright

      Oops. I was writing my comments when you and and jancie were writing your latest comments. Sorry If I have confused anyone. Pat,

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